Wake up!!! Voodoo3 just sucks.

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DaRKh PrOPhet

New Member
#1
Hey why is everyone raving bout V3 vs. TNT2?

The V3 is a really outdated card with no 32 bit colour support for games, it's compatible with AGP but it really doesn't use the AGP features.
3DFX just hoped to take advantage of their good name and sell some more cards, that are just beefed up Banshees.

The question should be:
TNT2, G400 or Savage 4?

It's obvious that the TNT2U wins, performancewise, I just found it a little expensive.

The benefits of the V3 are: the nice price and it still is one of the fastest cards.

But I don't think V3 will be good when Game developers start pushing these cards more and more, the TNT2, S4 and G400 are in my opinion the cards to choose from. The V3 is just a Banshee with more power, no new stuff here.

If you don't mind looking at ugly graphics, go out and buy a V3, but if you want to actually see where your money went, then get one of the others.

I'm not trying to offend people here, i'm just annoyed by people who buy this card just because it's 3dfx.
If Matrox or something would've come out with this card instead of 3dfx, no one would've cared about it.

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DEAN

DEAN

AMD/ATI Fanboy
#2
Is that right?

ugly hmm,last ugly image i saw was a tnt2 trying to play unreal,lol...

you are WRONG,v3 has excellant image quality,can play anygame with ease and will install in any system with ease.You stick with your overpriced 2/3 api LEMON.
 
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DaRKh PrOPhet

New Member
#3
Hey Dean, go compare Quake3 or 3Dmark screenshots from V3,G400, TNT2 and S4.
You'll find the V3 does worse than all other cards in image quality.
Okay the card is fast, but so is my granny if she floors a porsche to the limit. that doesn't make her a good driver though.

And I don't have an overpriced card, I have the Savage4 which is actually the same price ( here in Holland ) as the V3 3000.

I agree that the V3 is easy to install though.


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rh71

rh71

LuRkeR ExtRaoRdinaiRe
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Yes, this is a discussion board. Yes, this topic pertains to this particular discussion forum. But is anyone else getting sick of these sort of posts? I think people are sick of telling you they're sick of the same topic being argued about.

Don't tell me a video card sucks because something else MAY BE better in your opinion. The card can hold its own. But let it be in the eye of the beholder. I think we've all come to that understanding here on this board.

By this, I do not mean to strip you of your right to speak. By this, I only want you to be aware that some people will only take your "Voodoo3 just sucks" statement as "I-say-it-sucks-so-it-must-mean-it-sucks." Well, you did mean that didn't you.

In the words of the immortal James Hetfield, "we don't give a $#!T!!!!!!"

Shut it.

Peace, love... and beer for James.
 
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DaRKh PrOPhet

New Member
#5
Critisism is good,as long as it's based on something, that's why i ask myself questions like whether the V3 is a good card.
I looked at some reviews on the internet and this is how i interpreted it.
if you don't like it, then try and prove to me, that's what discussions are about.

The subject title may be a little misplaced but it draws attention and
"In my opinion the Voodoo3 card just sucks but i don't want to offend anyone by saying this" seemed to long as a subject title.

I like a good discussion and since I was sick about the V3-versus-TNT2-thing, I was giving my opinion on this, and asking myself and all you guys if this is actually the right question.
 
DEAN

DEAN

AMD/ATI Fanboy
#6
Is that right quake 3 looks better on a TNT2,hmmmm....well heres a couple screenshots for ya.1st v3,2nd tnt2(v770)





if your 2d is working half way decent you will see the difference,mine ofcoarse is the fastest 2d under $200,and looks awesome. DOH!
 
rh71

rh71

LuRkeR ExtRaoRdinaiRe
#8
Ooh that reminds me, I have to try Unreal again with the new V3 drivers installed.


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Lucas

New Member
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V3 rulezz! I in almost every game its faster that TNT2. Yea, I agree, it doesnt support 32bit like riva, but more important is the speed than quality which is ALMOST the same. Sorry, but I cant see a big difference. And AGP texture? Hm, this problem was here even with V2 and TNT. And how did this fight quit? V2 is still faster than TNT in many games. So, I think its the same with V3 and TNT2. But when NAPALM will come out, it will be a big problem for nVIDIA.
 
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Luke2344

New Member
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Now look here...no listen...dont get me started ok? I have not entered unto the tnt/voodoo debate yet... Have a closer look at those screenshots will ya? I see that the voodoo is brighter...hmmm. Im sure with a bit of tweaking (gamma?)tnt2 could make that.
Thats where it ends HOWEVER. Look at the gun for crying out loud since thats the only thing you get a good look at texture quality and color....need I say more? Yeah im gonna say somemore and get this out of my system. Nah I dont think I need to really...quit looking at how bright the picture is and look at the BIG picture. This is 99 and we need to move on from voodoo 2/banshee technology one of these days. ThankYOU...
 
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Tonka

New Member
#12
Dean,

I bet there was a time when you were walking back and forth in the video card aisle debating if you should buy a TNT2 or Voodoo3. Since you ended up buying a Voodoo3 with your hard earn cash, it has become that Voodoo3 rule. Because you are stuck with your purchase, which will be obsolete soon, you must defend it by browsing the internet 24 hour a day 7 days a week to find the best screen shot that someone else PC(not your) with someone else Voodoo3(not your) and have the nerve to say that Voodoo3 rule. You are a pathetic individual with an IQ of a fruitfly.

I think that both the TNT2 and the Voodoo3 are great cards. They have there up and down.
 
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Tonka

New Member
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I agreed with Luke2344. If the dumbass who took those screenshot that Dean shared with us above would adjust the brightness or something on his display I'am sure the two image would look identical. Good point there Luke2344.
 
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DaRKh PrOPhet

New Member
#14
Okay i have to admit that this V3 pic looks good but it looks a bit weird to me, as if it was edited with Photoshop or that the TNT2 was at real low settings and the V3 at very high.

I'll try and find the URL where i saw this comparison too.

And try pitting a Savage 4 or G400 against a V3 and you will see what i mean. TNT2 is good but these 2 are even better at image quality.

Don't get me wrong i'm not saying V3 is a lousy card, i just think that is not that great as a lot of people say it is.
 
DEAN

DEAN

AMD/ATI Fanboy
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I dont search the net,some guy posted the link a week ago,its not hard to remember where it was.

Why dont you guys post some results,proof is better then talk,one more thing most v3 3000 owners have a v3 3500+ due to the easy overclockability of the card,mines at 190 currently others are past 200,Glide based games play and look the best on only 1 card 3dfx,try and debate that 1....

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DaRKh PrOPhet

New Member
#16
Oh and lucas,

TNT vs V2 is NOT the same as TNT2 vs V3

Proper AGP support is really important especially with AGP4x coming up, you'll see the difference then.
I owned a banshee and it was great but the technology is old now and nvidia, S3 and Matrox are looking ahead while 3dfx are still lokking at the success they HAD.
They will never be as innovative as when they came up with the first Voodoo.

S3 and Matrox deserve respect for being innovative with S3TC and hardwarebumpmapping.
I believe these will become standards in the Gaming industry
 
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DaRKh PrOPhet

New Member
#17
Geez DEAN i'don't mean to insult you but i think you're really too proud of your V3 to admit that it isn't really that good.

"If something is staring you in the face and
you cant believe it, it is your problem.."

that's excactly what i mean.
Man you're just plain dumb or something.
Paying those bucks for an outdated, beefed up banshee is not my problem either.

And who said anything about cards that couldn't be installed?
You should get over the fact that you probably should've gotten another card instead of a V3. but hey I don't care, that's your prob :)

BTW TONKA is making good sense.
 
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ScottSOK

New Member
#18
Well um...4xagp doesn't work on my mb right now, and I won't buy another computer for awhile. I think it's nice that these cards support it, but a 4xagp board won't be in mass for awhile, and by then I think most of this cards will be out dated.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but does the S4 suck at anything over 800x600 like a twenty frame drop everytime you go up in res. I saw that the Diamond couldn't hold at anything over 1078x768 with out crashing. I thing the compression thing looks neat, but I heard that DX7 will have that.
 
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DaRKh PrOPhet

New Member
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S3TC support is already implemented in DX6
and that's a good thing, it means it's taken seriously. Q3, UnrealTournament, Unreal2, Fortune Soldier and every recent Ragesoftware ( Expendable, Hostile Waters, etc ) title, just to name a few good games, already use it or will use it when they come out.

And my Savage4 drops about 9 frames every resolution up untill 1124x843, i haven tested anyfurther yet.

Take a look at the message:
"And the results for q3test are?"
I posted my scores here, you'll see that the Savage is a very descent card.
I didn't say it's the best, i'm just happy about it cause it performs nice and the price was about the same as V3 3000.
 
Baloneyflaps

Baloneyflaps

Super Moderator
#20
Personally, most of those screenshots looked comparable to me, a little adjustment to monitor brightness perhaps and they'd look almost identical. The way I see it, the TNT2 and V3 each have their strengths and weaknesses. TNT2 has slightly better image quality, the V3 a little more speed. It should depend on the overall system specs as to which would be the best for any particular user. Since everything that's on the shelves now is going to be eclipsed into obsolescence by the next generation of cards coming out later this year anyway, what's the difference? Neither of these two will be the best in another couple of months anyway, by the time everyone realizes that both of these are good cards and the choice is a matter of personal preference neither will be state of the art. I suppose then it will become NV10 v. Napalm.