Possible Dead Hard Drive

PrinceOfPersia

PrinceOfPersia

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#1
I have found myself in need of more hard drive space and was thinking I could install my games on a seperate drive which free up a lot of space! I have an old 60GB IDE HD, which apparently went dead. Now I'm not 100% sure what happened to it, all I know is that it would not boot from this drive when Windows XP was installed on it, so I ended up removing it.

If I do reinstall this drive. Can someone advise me on some tough methods to really check each and every part of the drive to make sure it still functions?

Also this wont effect my current running system if the drive is faulty will it?
 
PrinceOfPersia

PrinceOfPersia

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#2
Hmm Also I just noticed those small pins on the back with a label on the drive. This drive will be a 3rd HD in the PC, therefore will NOT have an operating system on it.

Should this drive's pins be set to 1: Slave, 2: Master w/Slave Present, 3: Single Or Master...?
 
jimbo1763

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#4
As to jumpering, you would ordinarily set the second hard drive to slave.

That being said, you should also check your existing drive, as you may need to change the jumpers there, too. Some drives have separate settings for Master with slave as opposed to single-like your old drive does. You will need to look. Western Digitals are famous for having those multiple settings, and you will need to get the right combination.
 
PrinceOfPersia

PrinceOfPersia

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#5
:confused: OK now I'm confused lol, Well the drive I'm about to put in is a Western Digital IDE drive. My main drive with Windows on is a Samsung SATA drive, and my second drive is also Samsung but IDE

Ok but what happens if I get these pin settings wrong?
 
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Shinma

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Refer to the HDD manufacturers' website for jumper settings.
Refer to motherboard manual for any CMOS/BIOS menu settings.
 
PrinceOfPersia

PrinceOfPersia

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#7
Well That did NOT go well or to plan at all!

1st Drive, I'm guessing was just dead, as it said couldnt access it... Oh wait...*Few* its ok, my 2nd drive is still displayed in my computer. It wasnt there when I connected the the 3rd drive. But since it didnt access that drive I tried another, same thing, didnt display my 2nd drive but told me the 3rd drive wasnt formatted. I left it alone, as at boot up I got a blue screen so long, it had to scroll the page down!

I think I'll stop here (at stage one) so that I dont damaage my PC further! I'll have to get someone with more experience to install a 3rd drive in my PC! Thank you for your help... for now...

But now I will run as many Disk Checks on my C:, D: as possible to make sure they're ok!
 
PrinceOfPersia

PrinceOfPersia

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#8
Ok I bought a new DVD-RW drive which should arrive 2mo morn and I'll be installing it 2mo too, so while I've got the PC opened up, I'm going to attempt installing a third hard drive...again!

Now, Drive 1 = SATA, Drive 2 = IDE, Drive 3 = IDE???

OK I guess I can install two hard drives on one IDE cable *fingers crossed* so since I've not done this before, I need ANYONES help please!

Fisrt of all, there are three ports to the IDE cable, the bottom is plugged into the motherboard, the middle is plugged into drive 2, the top end is empty. Can I plug in the third drive into the top end of the IDE cable, or do I need to switch its position with Drive 2?

So I either end up with: A = IDE Top in drive 2, IDE middle in Drive 3, IDE bottom in Moboard. Or: B = IDE Top in Drive 3, IDE middle in Drive 2, IDE bottom in Moboard.

Once that is sorted I have the whole slave/master pin stuff with the new hard drive that is going in. I will get that looked at by someone in a shop, but I'm guessing that goes on Slave as is Drive 2?

Any help, Please, ASAP!!
 
Midknyte

Midknyte

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#10
the easiest way is to set both of the ide drives to CS (cable select). the position on the cable determine which is master and slave. master is on the end, slave is in the middle.
 
PrinceOfPersia

PrinceOfPersia

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#11
Ah ok, that makes sense. Last time I put the 3rd drive on slave and it was on the top end of the cable and then my 2nd drive didnt show, but I will try this method in the morning, report back ASAP.
 
PrinceOfPersia

PrinceOfPersia

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#12
Haha!! Success!! It worked! I have both IDE drives showing and booted up with my SATA drive without probs! Although this is my bro's old hard drive and he still has windows media centre installed on it with the drive partitioned in two, although there wasnt a dual-boot function at boot up.

However windows won't let me format the drive for some reason? It keeps telling me to make sure no disk utility is in use or windows open with the drive contents, so this might take some time to figure out
 
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PrinceOfPersia

PrinceOfPersia

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Oh no, I used that Norton GoBack program a long time ago and almost lost an entire drive's contents after uninstalling it and never went back to it. I dont know whats stopping the format?! I have this program that unlocks any running process on items that cant be accessed or deleted, but after running that it still says it cant be formatted because its in use :S
 
PrinceOfPersia

PrinceOfPersia

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#16
jimbo1763 said:
Can you navigate to it in disk managment and format it if you start in Safe Mode?
That still said the same thing, but it was Norton again in the end, turns out the "Norton Protected Files" in the Recycle Bin was stopping it, I have just disabled this on all three drives now and am currently running a full format as I type this :D

Thanx for everyone's help :)
 
PrinceOfPersia

PrinceOfPersia

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I think my PC is officially DEAD! I partitioned my SATA C: drive into two parts, One for XP and one for Vista RC1.

Everything was working fine last night, but I tured on my PC this morning and it came up with dual-boot menu, I chose XP and it came up with XP logo and stayed there for a few mins, so I restart then it says "Start windows normally or Safe mode etc" I chose Last known Good config.. then it shows the screen saying Boot from CD... then does nothing!

I put in the windows xp cd and try to reinstall and it wont let me on either of my IDE or SATA drives!! I tried Vista RC1 same thing. On XP it has the screen where I can delete the partition etc but does not show format. When I try to install XP it keeps saying "...However, this disk does not contain a Windows XP-compatible partition." On Vista RC1 it tells me "Windows is unable to find a system volume that meets its criteria for installation"

I JUST finished paying off for all my PC parts and now everything stops working!!! Someone help me get windows running or my dad will murder me!!
 
PrinceOfPersia

PrinceOfPersia

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#18
Ok so I got windows running again, installed just the basics...

It seems that the Pc will refuse to boot if I have any IDE HDDs plugged in! Windows XP is installed on my main SATA drive. However, once in windows, if I then plug in the IDE hard drive, I get access to it, but not before it boots into windows.

When installing XP it wouldnt even let me install on either IDE or SATA HDDs or format, only delete paritions. Then once I unplugged the IDE HDD *Ta-Daa* Windows begins the setup process!

Now my second, IDE drive, is very important to me, as it contains all my main back-ups and every single last one of drivers and programs, so it must be used, so there must be a way to gain access to Windows without having to unplug the drive everytime I turn on or restart my PC?

Also I got an error in the notification area just before one restart saying "Windows Delayed Write File Error..." If someone could also let me know what that is?
 
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DanceMan

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PrinceOfPersia said:
However, once in windows, if I then plug in the IDE hard drive,
Aside from USB and LAN connections, it's not a good idea to plug or unplug anything while the computer is powered, most especially anything inside the case.
 
PrinceOfPersia

PrinceOfPersia

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Yes I know, but it is the only way for me to access this drive, and since I needed to install my main drivers, I had no other option. I couldnt plug it in before boot-up as if it was plugged in then it just wont boot
 
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