liquid, vidfreek is right about the tnt and v3 amd issues. the tnt does not support the 3dnow, and the v3 does. that's the difference on your system. also, the tnt chipsets are very cpu dependent, and the amd's just can't handle it. nothing against them, they just can't. i bought vidfreek's tnt, and it runs awesome on my system (o/c celeryto 472 with 128 mb, abit zm6- all the celery accessories). it just didn't utilize the 3dnow, so it didn't run good on his system. on mine it does however, and his v3 2000 outperforms my (now) tnt. go with the voodoo series chipset (not the value chipset, but who isn't looking for a good cheap setup?) because it's the best for your chip. i'm sure you have an awesome setup like vid, and it will make it run even better (and it's not a bastard stepchild you renob chanse, but you may be!) have fun with whatever selection you make, and if you don't like it, return it! good luck. later ;-j