Is Hardware Central Dying?

Is Hardware Central Dying?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 21.4%
  • No

    Votes: 11 78.6%

  • Total voters
    14
  • Poll closed .
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Why am I still doing up?
#61
SHOCKED! I am shocked to hear this!!! :eek:

I remember chocolate-covered rainbows and x-mas presents year round! ;) :D
 
Dave_B

Dave_B

Overclocking Duffus
#62
The only reason anyone could have voted no is because this isn't dying, it's already dead. Too bad because this was my favorite forum back in the day. Child-like behavoir is the norm in healthy forums - it attracts new children to argue AMD vs. Intel, AMd/ATI vs. nVidia. When the mods cracked down here, the effect was inevitable. No young'uns comin', the older ones movin' on or losing interest.

My original three forums were here, Ars Technica and Overclockers. Ars is still going strong because Caesar (the childish idiot who heads it up) is extremely immature and lets chaos rain. Overclockers goes on because it attracts the those true to it's name. My fourth old forum, 2CPU is dying because the need for multiple CPUs has become moot except for high-end servers. Mostly now it serves AMD server fan boys.

Yes, the HWC Forums is dead. As I make the first post since Dec 21 it is sad to admit that you have to let the children play or simply fade away.
 
P

Perce

New Member
#63
Good one Dave B. :)
Got to agree with most of your observations, as one of the oldest members on this site, the "overcontrol" from the site aided to it's lack of active members. Also, they have let a couple of good moderators go and allowed some of the others to act like KGB/CIA type of moderation. I can remember the good fights that we had, CPUs, Memory and especially Operating Systems. (boy, the Vista "pukes" were wrong, lol)

Interesting enough, us "die hards" still resolve almost all issues from members that ask for help.

I also got to agree with your thoughts on some of the other sites, I have been a member of, some act like "Website Nazis" moderators! Little do they know that it will end with people not going there :( A couple of these, I actually got email from moderators, asking that I not help people, even tho I was correct and got the member working again, cause the member posted his/her question in the wrong sub-forum! :)

I do believe that HardwareCentral is still a viable source for help. I hope this site continues it's long record of helping people. ;)
 
Bink

Bink

Will moderate for food
#64
It's pretty cool that some of the old folk are still popping in.

I'm not sure when I was asked to be a moderator, but I was a regular member for years prior. From what I understand, moderators aren't "let go", unless they're literally inactive for years and even they get checked on before it happens. It seems to me more of a house cleaning thing.

As far as moderation is concerned around here, my duties were always pretty relaxed. Most of the time I'd just merge the odd double thread, handle the occasional bit of spam or moving a thread to a more ideal forum. Debates are encouraged provided they remain somewhat constructive and don't completely degenerate into irrelevant name calling.

About the only area that caused a sticking point (and this was when I was still only a member) was the desire among members for off-topic discussion. That's how Off Topic Central was born, initially populated by Hardware Central members as a solution to the problem, but later catching interest beyond that.

But even OT Central isn't the active hot spot it used to be and I doubt very much it has anything to do with the moderation there. The nature of the internet has changed, social media is now the place to hang out.
 
Steve R Jones

Steve R Jones

Administrator
#65
The only reason anyone could have voted no is because this isn't dying, it's already dead. Too bad because this was my favorite forum back in the day. Child-like behavoir is the norm in healthy forums - it attracts new children to argue AMD vs. Intel, AMd/ATI vs. nVidia. When the mods cracked down here, the effect was inevitable. No young'uns comin', the older ones movin' on or losing interest.

My original three forums were here, Ars Technica and Overclockers. Ars is still going strong because Caesar (the childish idiot who heads it up) is extremely immature and lets chaos rain. Overclockers goes on because it attracts the those true to it's name. My fourth old forum, 2CPU is dying because the need for multiple CPUs has become moot except for high-end servers. Mostly now it serves AMD server fan boys.

Yes, the HWC Forums is dead. As I make the first post since Dec 21 it is sad to admit that you have to let the children play or simply fade away.
Approx how old are you?

Kids have their sites - adults have theirs... No one I know likes to see a bunch of stupid kids arguing over who has the "coolest" case mod;)
 
Dave_B

Dave_B

Overclocking Duffus
#66
I'm 62. As a long time member at Ars Technica, I can tell you that it isn't just kids acting up. Some of the biggest fools there are moderators and long-time members. Some of them even chased One Eng back to this forum when he was posting all that nonsense about how good the AMD Barcelona (K10) was going to be a few years back. I mean he deserved what he got in the Ars forum with his childish fan boy assertions, but why pursue him all over the 'net?

Anyway, the point is that when you clamp down too hard, it's not only kids you turn away, there's plenty of immature adults out there to. Ars is still a very popular forum with mostly mature discussions with some flame bait threads here and there. The most recent was another One Eng disaster where he asserted that Bulldozer was going to dominate Sandy Bridge. That one worked out about as well for him as the K10 thread. But if you do a detailed read of those threads, along with the name calling foolishness, there's a lot of highly technical information, so although immature, many of the posters are very knowledgeable in programming, CPU design and fabrication so much of the discussion is actually worthwhile reading.
 
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equinoxe3d

equinoxe3d

Active Member
#67
Approx how old are you?

Kids have their sites - adults have theirs... No one I know likes to see a bunch of stupid kids arguing over who has the "coolest" case mod;)
Seconding Dave_B here, many times it's actually adults that act like kids on the internet... guess some of them don't quite "get" that technology yet and should just stay with their TVs :p
 
Ratt

Ratt

New Member
#68
About the only area that caused a sticking point (and this was when I was still only a member) was the desire among members for off-topic discussion. That's how Off Topic Central was born, initially populated by Hardware Central members as a solution to the problem, but later catching interest beyond that.

But even OT Central isn't the active hot spot it used to be and I doubt very much it has anything to do with the moderation there. The nature of the internet has changed, social media is now the place to hang out.
OT Central is dominated by right wing lunatics that resort to Ad Hominem attacks to support their arguments in the TRW sub forums. Over time, even the original HWC members there lose interest due to poor moderation. Let them have their say over there. As the saying goes: Let sleeping dogs lie. ;)

If the nature of the internet has changed, then why are some computer forums still very active? i.e overclock.net


Approx how old are you?

Kids have their sites - adults have theirs... No one I know likes to see a bunch of stupid kids arguing over who has the "coolest" case mod;)
Where exactly can I find stupid kids arguing over coolest case mods? Can you please show me? ;)
On the contrary, I find that case mods threads are free from arguments. They show their creativity with WIP photos and other members giving support, ideas and positive criticism and suggestions. Frankly, some of the mods look very nice.

Might as well delete the Cases, Cooling and Overclocking sub-forum. It was originally suggested by forum members and later created by admins here to cater for those with such hobbies.
 
Ratt

Ratt

New Member
#70
I'm not aware of any consolidation or mergers of forums on the web. Either the forums are still around, fade away or completely disappear.

To some degree it is also due to "overcontrol". Before internet.com took over this site, moderators were chosen by the members. That changed and I still remember the drama when an outsider with zero posts was brought in as a mod without even informing the mod in charge at HWC.

Later they brought in many "changes" that slowly made this site to what it is now.

I noticed a new black banner at the top of the forum. "An IT Business Edge Site" Well, as long as it is not over the edge, I'm ok with that. :D
 
Steve R Jones

Steve R Jones

Administrator
#71
To some degree it is also due to "overcontrol". Before internet.com took over this site, moderators were chosen by the members. That changed and I still remember the drama when an outsider with zero posts was brought in as a mod without even informing the mod in charge at HWC.

Later they brought in many "changes" that slowly made this site to what it is now.
But you're talking about 9+ YEARS ago aren't you;)
I hope and pray you get over it someday:p

Of ALL of the moderation stuff I've seen here and on many sites, the need to moderate is directly proportional to the stuff that needs to be moderated. It's a pretty simple math deal.

And of course from time to time members will disagree and think that a post or thread "wasn't that bad." But on the other hand, I've seen many members admit that they thought they'd see just how close to the line they can get.... When in doubt - the site comes first.

I first cut my forum teeth on NoWonder.com and 32bit.com 12+ years ago. NoWonder went pay to post and 32bit just simply died... But back then, there were only a few hundred sites.. Now there are tens of thousands of tech sites.. Even the hardware and software companies have their own forums.. Factor in GOOGLE and the power of search engines and forums in general are dieing... There's pretty much no such thing as "being the first person in the world" to get a particular error message. And if you're not the first - odds are you can Google for a solution...

The moderators at my favorite site got many complaints because they help answer questions too much... Couple of the mods are retired and very helpful people... Just can't win for losing...
 
Ratt

Ratt

New Member
#73
But you're talking about 9+ YEARS ago aren't you;)
I hope and pray you get over it someday:p
:confused: Get over what? I was giving an example of "overcontrol". Past actions affects current and future outcomes. Agree? I don't go around making tall tales of the modding community nor do I make exaggerations to make a point or to support an argument. ;)

I appreciate your thoughts and prayers though. In this trying and uncertain times one should get all spiritual support they can get.

Of ALL of the moderation stuff I've seen here and on many sites, the need to moderate is directly proportional to the stuff that needs to be moderated. It's a pretty simple math deal.

And of course from time to time members will disagree and think that a post or thread "wasn't that bad." But on the other hand, I've seen many members admit that they thought they'd see just how close to the line they can get.... When in doubt - the site comes first.
I don't have a problem with the moderation here. Maybe just a bit years ago, when threads get locked for no reason at all.

I first cut my forum teeth on NoWonder.com and 32bit.com 12+ years ago. NoWonder went pay to post and 32bit just simply died... But back then, there were only a few hundred sites.. Now there are tens of thousands of tech sites.. Even the hardware and software companies have their own forums.. Factor in GOOGLE and the power of search engines and forums in general are dieing... There's pretty much no such thing as "being the first person in the world" to get a particular error message. And if you're not the first - odds are you can Google for a solution...

The moderators at my favorite site got many complaints because they help answer questions too much... Couple of the mods are retired and very helpful people... Just can't win for losing...
I am fascinated on why you choose to focus on the dead and dying sites. Shouldn't you be looking up to the successful ones on why they are successful instead?

....tens of thousands of tech sites..... zOMG! :eek: teh internets forumz iz dieing. Ohhhh.... what to do... :eek:

ROTFL!! Been playing that tune and singing that same old song for how many years now, Steve? 7 or 8 years? It's 2012. When I go to bed tonight, I will kneel beside my bed, close my eyes weally weally hard, put my hands together tightly, praying and hoping wewy wewy hard that you have a new tune and song for the next couple of years. :p

I'd call that a "consolidation of sorts" ;)
There are several definitions of "consolidation". Glad to see that cleared up. :D
 
whutsupdoc

whutsupdoc

Master of my Domain
#74
It's dead......... I haven't been here in months... and judging my the lack of post... something's amiss !!!
 
M

Martin_89

Active Member
#76
sad to see this place so quiet, i beleive i ended up here because i had no idea about computers and had a silly problem. This place helped me learn everything i know!

i dont work in IT, but my job revolved massively around IT and most of my sucess in it has come from using IT in ways i never would have been able to if it wasnt for this place!
 
AlbertBarkley

AlbertBarkley

New Member
#77
You are right that since I have joined this forum, I am seeing not more users active on the forum. But if forum admin work on some different stuff and also include in the forum, the i believe that this forum will rise up very soon.
 
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1

New Member
#78
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Hello to myself and all the bots crawling the 10 year old threads :(

Seeing the state of the forums makes me sad. This used to be the first site I checked every morning...
 
Steve R Jones

Steve R Jones

Administrator
#79
Feel free to make it the first site you check every morning.... Posting something interesting you read from the day before and become part of the "Solution" :)
 

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