It seems that Dell have entered the 'lets make the PC as pretty as possible' market now. 
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Originally posted by Todd a
Man at that price it better come with some h**kers!
Man at that price it better come with some h**kers!
there's old saying "Friends don't let friends buy Dell"... great quote....
Originally posted by Advanced-Morgan-Duron
there's old saying "Friends don't let friends buy Dell"... great quote....
there's old saying "Friends don't let friends buy Dell"... great quote....
Originally posted by Berserker
Todd a, DELL doesn't support this h**kers stuff. So, better keep this thread clean...
We got an OT for this somewhere....
Todd a, DELL doesn't support this h**kers stuff. So, better keep this thread clean...
We got an OT for this somewhere....
What's the exchange rate for that. It would be over $5000 US wouldn't it. And a gaming machine with cheap 2.1 speekers and an LCD. Let see going through the list... It should be an AthlonFX-53 if it is a gaming machine. Why would a gamer get a 400BG 7200 drive. They would get a pair of 74GB Raptors instead. A DVD recorder is nice, but dual layer is almost the same price. Radeon x800XT is fine, but a PE would be even better yet. A 17" LCD is not for gamers at all (especially a Dell one). Get something in the 19-23" CTR with a good refresh rate. Come on... Dell speakers, a Dell MM keyboard, and a Dell 2 button wheel mouse. This is supposed to be a gaming machine! At least a MS Optical 5 button would be nice (like I use... that thumb button is great for reloading). The Dell 2.1 speakers is such a waste of the Audigy2 ZX it is rediculous. They might as well stick with the integrated sound.
I could build something much better for much less than that... easy!
Well think about this... it is supposed to be a gaming machine... you know for those weird enthusiasts out there. The price crappy componants just amazed me. The guts of the system are OK (except for the CPU) and the case is OK too (not what I'd want), but like I said the speekers, mouse, keyboard, and monitor are not for gamers.
Really just get an AlienWare or something:
http://www.alienware.com/ALX_pages/aurora_alx.aspx
This system has lets see... AMD Athlon FX-53, 1GB Corsair XMS DDR, NVIDIA GEForce 6800 Ultra, 2 Raptor 74 GB 10k drives in RAID-0, Creative Labs SB Audigy ZX, 650w PS, DVD Recorder and CD recorder. Yes it is $5000 and lacks a monitor and speekers, but this is also water cooled and top of the line everything. It is built for overclocking and the memory is rated for 550Mhz. Plus it looks really cool!
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Really just get an AlienWare or something:
http://www.alienware.com/ALX_pages/aurora_alx.aspx
This system has lets see... AMD Athlon FX-53, 1GB Corsair XMS DDR, NVIDIA GEForce 6800 Ultra, 2 Raptor 74 GB 10k drives in RAID-0, Creative Labs SB Audigy ZX, 650w PS, DVD Recorder and CD recorder. Yes it is $5000 and lacks a monitor and speekers, but this is also water cooled and top of the line everything. It is built for overclocking and the memory is rated for 550Mhz. Plus it looks really cool!
Apple makes cool cases too, but that does not make them actually run faster. How many gaming machines do you see from Apple? There is a good reason for that.
I always say function over form. It is nice if it looks good too, but it has to be FAST. Like I said, for that much money, there is much better to be had.
I always say function over form. It is nice if it looks good too, but it has to be FAST. Like I said, for that much money, there is much better to be had.
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I think depending on the circumstances, form can be just as important as function
Obviously you want the thing to work first, but the depending on the circumstances and the application, form is becoming more important. As PCs become more popular and their uses increase, people are starting to shift these things into their living rooms to use as HTPCs.
As PCs become more 'integrated' into people's lives, the need increases for PCs to blend in - so out go the noisy PCs with 10 x6000rpm Delta fans, and in come the fanless PSUs, fanless CPU heatsinks etc. PCs are starting to become lifestyle accessories and gradually moving out of the realm of technophiles.
So instead of a beige box, people want a few bells and whistles. Whether its people who are into cold cathodes (I never understood what purpose they served, although to each man his own!) or others, like me, who want their PCs to match and look sort of elegant and understated. For example, it's one of the major selling points of Macs - people buy them because the majority of PCs look like crap!
I bought an aluminium LCD recently:-
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But then my black keyboard, black case and beige mouse looked out of place. So I just had to order a silver keyboard and aluminium case
And a Philip Stark designer mouse as well
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Sure, some of the stuff - the mouse is the prime culprit - is an example of form over function and something which doesn't actually work as well as the MX700 - in fact, the Phillip Stark mouse is absolute rubbish (and I'm regretting my purchase).
But we're never going to get to the stage where a swanky looking mouse is as good as mouse where function is the main production criteria unlesss people continue to innovate and try something different. That's why I think we need companies like Dell or Sony churning out equipment thats different.
Of course, there's always going to be the hardcore overclocking crowd where performance is everything, but I think its good that there's more variety of PCs, peripherals and even users nowadays
Obviously you want the thing to work first, but the depending on the circumstances and the application, form is becoming more important. As PCs become more popular and their uses increase, people are starting to shift these things into their living rooms to use as HTPCs.
As PCs become more 'integrated' into people's lives, the need increases for PCs to blend in - so out go the noisy PCs with 10 x6000rpm Delta fans, and in come the fanless PSUs, fanless CPU heatsinks etc. PCs are starting to become lifestyle accessories and gradually moving out of the realm of technophiles.
So instead of a beige box, people want a few bells and whistles. Whether its people who are into cold cathodes (I never understood what purpose they served, although to each man his own!) or others, like me, who want their PCs to match and look sort of elegant and understated. For example, it's one of the major selling points of Macs - people buy them because the majority of PCs look like crap!
I bought an aluminium LCD recently:-
But then my black keyboard, black case and beige mouse looked out of place. So I just had to order a silver keyboard and aluminium case
And a Philip Stark designer mouse as well
Sure, some of the stuff - the mouse is the prime culprit - is an example of form over function and something which doesn't actually work as well as the MX700 - in fact, the Phillip Stark mouse is absolute rubbish (and I'm regretting my purchase).
But we're never going to get to the stage where a swanky looking mouse is as good as mouse where function is the main production criteria unlesss people continue to innovate and try something different. That's why I think we need companies like Dell or Sony churning out equipment thats different.
Of course, there's always going to be the hardcore overclocking crowd where performance is everything, but I think its good that there's more variety of PCs, peripherals and even users nowadays
That mouse is ugly!!!
Both are easily achevable and the form part is usually the cheaper of the two (well for me at least as I do most of my own mods). I would always build my own computer and I recommend the same to others that have even the tiniest bits of computer knowledge. But like I said, I was just a bit supprised that Dell made a "Gamer's Machine" that does not have games in mind. A $5000 computer with junk keyboard, speakers, mouse, a basic LCD, and ugly case along with a poor choice of almost everything inside the case. If they could not go with an AthlonFX, they should have at least use a P4 EE 3.4Ghz, a much faster drive, and a TOP OF THE LINE GRAPHICS CARD, not the next best thing. The stuff outside the computer would bug me more as a gamer though as the computer is likely fast enough to handle everything pretty well, but lacking suround speakers in a good FPS could mean death from behind. Lacking extra buttons on a mouse and delay reactions, and having a ghoasting blured low resolution image, that likely displayes too few of colors... I like 1600x1200 in FPS like Call of Duty as I can spot snipers quickly at very long ranges.
Both are easily achevable and the form part is usually the cheaper of the two (well for me at least as I do most of my own mods). I would always build my own computer and I recommend the same to others that have even the tiniest bits of computer knowledge. But like I said, I was just a bit supprised that Dell made a "Gamer's Machine" that does not have games in mind. A $5000 computer with junk keyboard, speakers, mouse, a basic LCD, and ugly case along with a poor choice of almost everything inside the case. If they could not go with an AthlonFX, they should have at least use a P4 EE 3.4Ghz, a much faster drive, and a TOP OF THE LINE GRAPHICS CARD, not the next best thing. The stuff outside the computer would bug me more as a gamer though as the computer is likely fast enough to handle everything pretty well, but lacking suround speakers in a good FPS could mean death from behind. Lacking extra buttons on a mouse and delay reactions, and having a ghoasting blured low resolution image, that likely displayes too few of colors...
I like 1600x1200 in FPS like Call of Duty as I can spot snipers quickly at very long ranges.
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I must be missing something because apart from the monitor (which has a 25ms response time) there's not much wrong with that PC (well, apart from the price of course). It has a cutting edge GFX card, matched to a beefy processor, a decent motherboard, Audigy2, and enough ram to play Doom3 and HL-2 to your heart's content at 1280 x 1024 @ high quality settings. Raptors aren't going to make much difference to gaming performance - personally I'd go for the extra capacity rather than the speed since the speed would never really get utilised.
If they got rid of those crappy speakers and threw in a 12ms or 16ms TFT, they'd have one hell of a gaming PC on their hands. Not worth anything close to £3,000 mind but a great PC nonetheless. Besides, that case design has persuaded me
PS. That mouse cost me the equivalent of 60 of your US dollars!
If they got rid of those crappy speakers and threw in a 12ms or 16ms TFT, they'd have one hell of a gaming PC on their hands. Not worth anything close to £3,000 mind but a great PC nonetheless. Besides, that case design has persuaded me
PS. That mouse cost me the equivalent of 60 of your US dollars!
I tried wireless, but kept getting to much outside interferance. I moved that keyboard to a system in my basement. I'm back with wired keyboard and mouse.
As for the system, like I said it is OK. The main gripe I had was the stuff on the outside. It is a cheap basic keyboard and mouse, not what the enthusiast gamer would use. Also why get a SB Audigy2, but only use junk stereo speakers? It makes no sinse. 25ms would be horrible for gaming period. A big wast of money for a gaming machine. It probably looks pretty bad for watching DVDs.
I agree the inards are OK, but for that much money I'd expect more. They are using a standard x800XT, not the x800XT PE, but not a hugh deal. The hard drive kind of sucks. I'd rather have a faster 8MB cache 7200RPM drive then a slower 400GB drive any day. This is not a video editting machine... it is a gaming machine. For that money though a pair of 10k Raptor drives in RAID-0 would be better. If Dell would smarten up, an AMD AthlonFX 53 would be much more powerfull CPU for gaming... especially got Doom3. It is about 20% faster for about the same price. I could put together a much better system for "gaming" for over $1000 less, that would smoke it, look better, likely run quieter, sound better... a "real" gaming machine.
As for the system, like I said it is OK. The main gripe I had was the stuff on the outside. It is a cheap basic keyboard and mouse, not what the enthusiast gamer would use. Also why get a SB Audigy2, but only use junk stereo speakers? It makes no sinse. 25ms would be horrible for gaming period. A big wast of money for a gaming machine. It probably looks pretty bad for watching DVDs.
I agree the inards are OK, but for that much money I'd expect more. They are using a standard x800XT, not the x800XT PE, but not a hugh deal. The hard drive kind of sucks. I'd rather have a faster 8MB cache 7200RPM drive then a slower 400GB drive any day. This is not a video editting machine... it is a gaming machine. For that money though a pair of 10k Raptor drives in RAID-0 would be better. If Dell would smarten up, an AMD AthlonFX 53 would be much more powerfull CPU for gaming... especially got Doom3. It is about 20% faster for about the same price. I could put together a much better system for "gaming" for over $1000 less, that would smoke it, look better, likely run quieter, sound better... a "real" gaming machine.
Yup!
Yah I was did say Dell would not use the FX-53, which is the best gaming CPU, but at least a P4 EE 3.4Ghz would have been better than a P4 3.6Ghz Prescott.
If it was my I'd get a nice 21" CTR, a set of Creative Labs THX 5.1 speekers, a MS IntelMouse Optical, good keyboard, Antec P160 case, Antec NeoPower 480w PS, an MSI Neo Platnum nForce3 250GB socket 939 board, 2x1GB DDR (whatever is fastest), 2 WD Raptor 74GB hard drives in RAID-0, SB Audigy2 ZX, Sony 2.4x Dual Layer DVD recorder a Sony 52x CD W/RThermalRight heatpipe cooler, some UV lights, some UV fans, AthlonFX-53, and a Radeon x800XT PE. Maybe an ATI HD Wonder with a Remote Wonder 2. This would run about $4000-5000 and be a much nicer Gaming Machine. Then next year I'd dump in Windows XP Proffesional 64 Edition and toward the end of next year a dual core AthlonFX (which they are planning on doing).
Yah I was did say Dell would not use the FX-53, which is the best gaming CPU, but at least a P4 EE 3.4Ghz would have been better than a P4 3.6Ghz Prescott.
If it was my I'd get a nice 21" CTR, a set of Creative Labs THX 5.1 speekers, a MS IntelMouse Optical, good keyboard, Antec P160 case, Antec NeoPower 480w PS, an MSI Neo Platnum nForce3 250GB socket 939 board, 2x1GB DDR (whatever is fastest), 2 WD Raptor 74GB hard drives in RAID-0, SB Audigy2 ZX, Sony 2.4x Dual Layer DVD recorder a Sony 52x CD W/RThermalRight heatpipe cooler, some UV lights, some UV fans, AthlonFX-53, and a Radeon x800XT PE. Maybe an ATI HD Wonder with a Remote Wonder 2. This would run about $4000-5000 and be a much nicer Gaming Machine. Then next year I'd dump in Windows XP Proffesional 64 Edition and toward the end of next year a dual core AthlonFX (which they are planning on doing).
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