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    Questions about the Hercules 8500LE

    I am thinking of getting the card in the title. I think it is clocked at 250/250.
    Will the pencil trick work with it to volt mod it?
    What is the standard cooling like on these cards?
    Will it need extra cooling after the volt mod? Cu HS and 80mm fan worth it?
    Thanks

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    Originally posted by CBR900:
    I am thinking of getting the card in the title. I think it is clocked at 250/250.
    Yep, 250/250MHz with 4ns Hynix memory that will probably overclock to 275/275MHz with a volt mob.

    Will the pencil trick work with it to volt mod it?
    Yep.

    What is the standard cooling like on these cards?


    Will it need extra cooling after the volt mod? Cu HS and 80mm fan worth it?
    Yes, although it depends how much you overclock/overvolt it. I'd say 1.8/3.8V or 275/275MHz (whichever one comes first) will require additional cooling for peace of mind. The pencil trick was originally conceived for 8500LE cards that had full-spec 3.6ns memory and for pushing retail cards to 320/320MHz+. The 4ns memory on this card is already running at it's maximum rated speed.

    MuFu.

    P.S. I'M SELLING A BRAND NEW (made by) ATi RETAIL 8500 (275/275MHz) THAT OVERCLOCKS TO 306/290MHz STRAIGHT OUT OF THE BOX FOR 130 + DELIVERY COST. IF I SOUND LIKE A SALESPERSON, IT'S BECAUSE I'M SELLING.

    (Wow... I can see why used car salesmen are so annoying!)

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    thanks for the quick reply Mutha Funker.
    ...I was just now reading through all your past posts (did a search for 8500le and your name lit up my screen from top to bottom!)
    Can I ask a few more questions?
    Is flashing the bios necessary?
    The pencil trick volt mod...does this allow you to CHOOSE different voltages? how?
    Why do you wanna sell that 8500retail (I might be interested)
    Lastly, What kind of performance increase is gained by going from 250/250 to 275/275 to 300/300 ?
    Thanks again

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    Hehee, well I am "fan", lets leave it at that.

    Flashing the BIOS is not usually necessary. There have been instances where flashing the BIOS of 8500LE's with that of a retail card has resulted in a slight increase in overclocking capability. It has been speculated that this is due to less agressive memory times, although more often than not a BIOS flash does little apart from set the default clockspeed at a higher value (at which the card may or may not be able to run). There is usually no need to flash the BIOS on your card, unless you have a specific change in mind (it's not really like flashing your motherboard BIOS where later is usually better... BIOSes have changed little since the 8500 was introduced). For example, I flashed the BIOS of my 8500LE (picture) to that of a retail card in order to make it run at 275/275MHz default, BUT, I had to volt mod the card for it to be able to do this. Before the mod it would only run at 260/260MHz max despite the memory being capable of much more.

    The pencil mod works by changing the values of two resistors on the card (by drawing lines on them). These play a part in determining the GPU and memory voltages. Increasing the voltages results in greater overclcoking ability. It shouldn't really be attempted without use of a multimeter and knowledge as to the theory behind it, although the procedure is actually fairly straightforward.

    The card I have now is two weeks old. It's a Retail 8500 with 3.6ns memory, fully boxed with cables, warranty etc. It has the latest ATi BIOS already on it but seems to perform identically to my 8500LE did at 275/275MHz. Perhaps image quality is slightly better, but it may just be me imagining things. Certainly driver releases do a lot more for these cards than BIOS flashes. The latest ATi drivers are very good. If you are interested in buying this card, drop me an e-mail. I'm only selling it because I managed to bag a GF4Ti for 150 due to an online pricing eror. I'm not even sure it will be that much better (may well be slower the way I play games - with max anisotropic filtering). I just fancy a change and seem to have gotten lucky. The GF4 is also better suited to the watercooling I intend to inflict on it. *evil laugh*

    The difference between 275/275MHz and 300/300MHz is 5-10% in terms of framerate unless the game is CPU limited. 250/250MHz to 300/300MHz is very tangible. The ability to volt mod makes this a very attractive card for "enthusists". People have reached 380/680MHz with watercooling and voltage modification.

    MuFu.

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    CBR900,

    Judging by your user name, I see your username identifies you as a person who likes fast machines , and, judging by your current machine, I'd say you're not doing too badly

    However, in my opinion, you wouldn't be seeing much more benefit by buying the Hercules card. 3rd party manufacturers often components of various grades. I guess that may be why the Hercules doesn't overclock too well when compared with Gigabyte 8500LE's.

    Secondly, you can volt mod the card, but even if you do it to the 4ns memory it might only get you up to retail speeds anyway, which is 275MHz (I think ). The retail version (which I believe MuFu is selling) has 3.6ns memory, and a higher clock speed to start with [275MHz]. In addition to this, the stock cooling might not be enough for the mods you might do, so you may have to spend more just to get the card up to retail speeds.

    Best of luck, mate

    RL

    P.S. How much you selling that card for, MuFu?

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    yeah I do like fast machines....and this computer is getting long in the tooth now.
    I have been given a bit of cash to spend (lucky me) and my first buy is a new ata100 7200rpm hard disk. About the only bit of my comp that remains from my initial buy is the hard disk ata33 5400, I expect this will make a huge differnce to how it feels. To do this i could either buy a pci controller card for 30, or (which i think i will do ) a new mobo ST6 for 70. Then I can also try clocking my PIII a bit higher too. although i do love my BX440
    I will have a small amount of cash left over, and cannot yet decide whether to get a new graphics card too. It seems over kill cos I have only just bought the one I have after killing a previous hercules GTS!!!
    So yeah it would take a bargain to convince me....
    if i didn't know better I would say mutha funka is paying you commission


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    LOL.

    Originally posted by RecklessLeper:
    [P.S. How much you selling that card for, MuFu?

    130, like I said before.

    CBR900, seriously mate... if you are interested, drop me an e-mail today because I have someone else coming round to look at it tommorow evening.

    These card are 180-210, new. This one was 178 from A2Z Computers.

    MuFu.


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    MuFu, sorry mate, I aint even decided if I want a new card yet....just collecting info really....just noticed that dabs.com hace a ge3ti for 95quid. Sell it to the bloke tomorrow, thanks for the offer anyway!

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    n/p

    Check out www.ebuyer.com too, they have some good prices.

    MuFu.

    P.S. I just checked out that Ti200 for 95. Nice. Not THAT nice though...

    Ask me when you come round to buying and I might still have it. Who knows?

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    cheers

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