I think the 7500 is the best card in its price category by quite a margin. It surpasses the GF2Ti in standard features alone in my opinion and is a very good overclocker.
The 7500 does support Truform, but not in hardware. Unlike the 8500 it has to emulate Truform calculations through software which means that its performance is severly degraded when Truform is enabled. Nevertheless, it's a good buy that should give you a nice performance boost over your V5 whilst maintaining excellent image quality.
I don't think enabling Truform with the 7500 on any system is practical 100% of the time... it depends on the game. You may get away with it in a older game like Half-Life, but for games like Serious Sam 2 and Soul Reaver you'll probably find that software-emulated Truform won't give you the fps you need.
The 7500 has the same features as the old Radeon (Rage 6C core). It has first generation HyperZ and Charisma engines which are older versions of those on the 8500.
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Damn i want that 8500 but its 499$ here
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Hi! I say keep your Voodoo 5 card or at least get a better card than the ATI Radeon 7500! I say get a Geforce 2 Titanium - they're faster than the ATI Radeon 7500 in 99.9% of games, they have better drivers, and most of the games I have don't work properly with the ATI Radeon 7500!
Better yet, wait for a Geforce 4 MX 460. Best value for money card out there, when it comes out.
Don't make the same mistake I did - read my post about it: http://discussions.hardwarecentral.c...ML/016245.html and see if it helps you. If you can, get a Geforce 2 Titanium/Geforce 4 MX, without any of that TV and DVI rubbish.
I have no idea why they have been put on GAMING cards! You'll be saving money and time. If you MUST get then ATI Radeon 7500, then make sure it's the actual ATI version and not the Powercolor version.
Although much cheaper, the Powercolour version ships without 2 of the EXPENSIVE cables that the ATI version ships with! Also, ALL of the reviews I have read, suggest that the Geforce 2 Titanium can overclock MUCH more than the Radeon 7500 can. Hope this helps - let us know what you decide to do, man.
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Justintime, there's a big difference in the GF2 Ti and GF3 Ti200.
Matthews, show me some benchmarks where the GF2 Ti is faster in 99.9% of the games. That's right, the 7500 is usually faster.
Some people actually like the DVI and dual monitor features, not everyone is a gaming fanatic (and do nothing but games). If you are, you'll be satisified with an nVidia card. If you do other things, you might want a card capable of doing other things as well.
The GF4 MX cards are a joke. DX7, two pipelines, don't even support EMBM.
Personally, I wouldn't buy a 7500 though... with the new cards coming out, some DX8 cards should be affordable very soon. Third party 8500's and 8500LE's should not be that expensive, and after the release of the GF4 Ti cards the GF3 Ti200 should be a steal.
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Oh, and the 7500 does oc very nicely. The core has been pushed to 330MHz without problems.
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Maybe i should wait till there is a next generation of card. Gaming are growing way too fast and video card always need to be upgrade. The v5 still runs the games today but for how long?!? Maybe the 8500 will cost less in about 6 month?
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What is your budget. The Radion 7500 with TV-out and 64MB DDR runs under $100 ($84+S&H was the cheapest on PriceWatch). If you are looking to spend a little more, there are some much better cards.
The Radion 8500LE runs about $165. The Geforce3 Ti200 is another good card for $135 and overclocks very well. If you like TrueForm then get the 8500, otherwise the Ti200 when overclcoked runs about the same speed. The other option is to wait a bit longer and get the GeForce4 Ti4200. It is supposed to run $200 retail. You should be able to find and OEM one on-line for as little as $160. Of coarse this will drive down the GeForce3 prices too.
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Originally posted by Matthews: Hi! I say keep your Voodoo 5 card or at least get a better card than the ATI Radeon 7500! I say get a Geforce 2 Titanium - they're faster than the ATI Radeon 7500 in 99.9% of games, they have better drivers, and most of the games I have don't work properly with the ATI Radeon 7500!
Better yet, wait for a Geforce 4 MX 460. Best value for money card out there, when it comes out.
Don't make the same mistake I did - read my post about it: http://discussions.hardwarecentral.c...ML/016245.html and see if it helps you. If you can, get a Geforce 2 Titanium/Geforce 4 MX, without any of that TV and DVI rubbish.
I have no idea why they have been put on GAMING cards! You'll be saving money and time. If you MUST get then ATI Radeon 7500, then make sure it's the actual ATI version and not the Powercolor version.
Although much cheaper, the Powercolour version ships without 2 of the EXPENSIVE cables that the ATI version ships with! Also, ALL of the reviews I have read, suggest that the Geforce 2 Titanium can overclock MUCH more than the Radeon 7500 can. Hope this helps - let us know what you decide to do, man.
I'd say I'd disagree with about 99.9% ( ) of what you said. The R7500 will beat out a GF2 TI in about everything and overclocks better anyways.
As for your recommendation for the GF4 MX460...no. There is no point in spending the extra price on a MX460 over an MX440, which will likely use the EXACT same components so they will overclock about the same. The only difference will be the price and retail clock speeds.
However, I would only recommend a GF4 MX if it was an EXTREMELY small budget. For $20 more ($200 instead of $180), you could get a GF4 TI4200 instead of a GF4 MX460. The TI4200 will make the GF4 MX460 look like my old Savage2000 .
As for that "rubbish" you're referring to - AKA DVI and TVout - many people use that. There is no performance loss just by having it on the card, and since most cards include TVout nowadays, there isn't really much of a price premium to pay for it. Might as well have it. I, personally, would love the option to run dual monitors AND a TV on my system. That way I could always have two monitors (one for gaming, one for controlling music and chatting), and I wouldn't have to worry about swapping the TV cable when I would like to watch a DVD. You seem to be the only person that has ever b*tched about having the extra features on your card.
Back to the topic now, I would hold out just a bit for the R8500 or GF3 TI models to come down in price a bit. The GF4 TI4200 should be a nice card as well. It should be able to OC to 4400 speeds very easily and maybe rival the 4600 in certain cases. While we're on the topic of Truform, is this an ATI-only feature or does the GF3/GF4 TI's support this as well (hardware)?
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) of what you said. The R7500 will beat out a GF2 TI in about everything and overclocks better anyways.
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