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    Looking for a way to download from a PRV (TIVO). Have a Dish Network PVR with S-vid & cable outputs. I'm tryin to record an old football game from the pvr to my computer. Any ideas? I've looked at various video cards and am just more confused. Was comparing the All-In-Wonder types vs. cards with an s-vid and/or cable tv INPUT. Both are expensive ($150+). Also, looked at the WinTV-PVR-usb (from hauppauge.com) also expensive. Basically, I want to do some video recording/editing while having the option for quality gaming. Any ideas and/or places to help me find info are appreciated. Thanks.

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    You shoulda bought a replaytv! First, TIVO has networking functions, but you have to buy and liscense it ($100, IIRC), and then, it only works between multiple TIVOs in your house. If you take the hard drive out of your TIVO and have some linux skills, you can hack your TIVOs linux kernel, and install a telnet and ftp server. Then, you have to telnet to your TIVO activate the ftp server, and use your ftp client to download the video to your computer. Unfortunately, TIVO has a proprietary video format that is extremely difficult to convert. So you have to sit there and convert every video file to a standard mpeg2.

    ReplayTV, on the other hand, is extremely network-friendly. You install DVArchive on your PC (which emulates a ReplayTV) and you can stream video back and forth between your replay and PC all day, watching in real-time or saving files, watching files from either, programming your replay from your PC or even from the internet. It's in standard loss-tolerant (broadcast) MPEG2 so WMP and a lot of other software will play it, but you have to convert to lossless (PC) MPEG2 for other programs (virtual dub, adobe premier) to be able to convert to mpeg4.

    Failing that, you can buy a TV card like the ones you suggested, and hook the video output from your TIVO to it, like you would a VCR. You've got several options here- you can get a PCI TV card for under $50 that should do the job nicely
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    So, would here be a marked difference in gaming quality with a PCI card vs. an AGP card? How much of a difference is there in the amount spent vs. the quality of video? I.e. should I spend a little (50) to get the same results as a higher end card (9600 ALl in Wonder for 220)? Or is the price reflective of te ecxtra features? Do you have any personal recommendations in cards?

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    The video cards like you're talking about can't input video, they just generate and display video. The exception to this would be ATI's All-in-wonder series, which include a TV tuner, or others that advertise VIVO (video-in/video-out).

    If you're talking about video cards for gaming, AGP is the way to go! But there's plenty of threads on here to read up on that
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    I recently saw an AIW 9600 for $100 after rebates. Best Buy or New Egg.

    How much would a ReplayTv system cost? I need to start learning Linux. . . .

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    ReplayTV and Tivo are comparably priced; Replay used to be $10/month to Tivo's $15, but now you can only get it with the lifetime substription, which pushes it to about $500 for an 80-hour. So, roughly the same price as an 80-hour tivo with a lifetime subscription! And let me tell you- it's worth every cent!

    Of course, both can be hacked to add much larger hard drives Replay supports up to 2x160gb! Not sure about Tivo. Both have their pros and cons- personally, I liked the automatic commercial skip, send show [through the internet to anyone else with a replay] and the networking features, although lawsuits forced repaytv to drop the commercial skip and send show on new models They replaced commercial skip with a "scene skip" which leaves the commercial detection in there, but makes you push a button to skip to the start of the next scene, hehe. Send show was pretty useless anyhow, with the gigantic mpeg2 files.
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    Gaming and video capture should be treated as 2 seperate needs and accordingly the cheapest solution is a seperate TV Tuner card and [whatever] videocard.

    The extra price for the VIVO portion of an ATi 9x00 is a lot more than the cost of a TV Tuner card which will do a better job overall. I don't think your that worried about quality but the stand alone cards mostly use the better Brooktree chip (as opposed to the Chrontel chip)
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    My GeForceFX 5900 came with vivo at no extra cost I think it's built into the new chipset.
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