Okay folks, it's time send my trusty but crusty Duron to the big scrapheap in the sky.
I'm considering the following:-
AMD Athlon XP 2000+ Down £2.01 From £67 to £64.99
AMD Athlon XP 2200+ Down £5 From £109.99 to £104.99
AMD Athlon XP 2400+ Down £8 From 134.99 to £126.99
Due to financial circumstances beyond my control (about to leave my job, need to pay the rent / bills, keep the dog fed etc) I have to keep the system cheap 'n sweet. Sooooo.....
I'm favouring the XP2000+ rather than a 2200+ or 2400+ since it seems really good value. I don't have any o/c experience of these TBs but I guess it should be able to o/c to 2220+ or 2400+ speeds pretty easily.
Am I right?
Just to complicate things, the rig that I'm going to be (re)building is gonna to have to be silent but aircooled (again, due to dog food considerations). So any o/clocking is going to have to work with a fanless Zalman CNPS6000CU Copper CPU Cooler. Also, case air flow sucks - there isn't any. There are no front fan intakes in my case, so I'd appreciate it if anyone could let me know how far a 2000+ o/clocks to without huge voltage increases.....in fact, I don't mind my XP reaching insane temperatures (assuming there's no instability). It might save on heating bills.
Last edited by davidstone28; December 5th, 2002 at 08:19 PM.
Athlon XP 3200+, TT Silent Boost (its rubbish as well as loud) Gigabyte nForce2 mobo (stable but lacks tweaking options), GF4 Ti4200 128mb, Lian-Li V2000
theres no gurantee that the 2000+ will be a Tbred, very likely a palimono unless otherwise stated, 1.8-2ghzish is attainable with a pali, but don't hold your breath, not until lately with the higher speed releases has the tbred core really shown some promise, heck, even the 2200+ might not do so well as its not guranteed to be a Tbred 'B'
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Surely they must have got rid of the A stock by now or am I being clueless?
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The 2000+ is only 1.67GHz, which was based on the palomino core, only on the advent of the 2200+ was the tbred offically released, all 2200+ are Tbred, about the 'B' tbred, i am sure the 2400 to 2800+ would be definetly based on that, might be hit or miss with 2200+ cpus as yet.
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Athlon XP 3200+, TT Silent Boost (its rubbish as well as loud) Gigabyte nForce2 mobo (stable but lacks tweaking options), GF4 Ti4200 128mb, Lian-Li V2000
Haven't heard of any Bs below 2400+. We'd all love one. Been a lot of wishful thinking going around.
If sterling in short supply, a 1600+ will give you a ton of o/cing fun till pounds and B models are available/affordable, not to mention a heck of a boost from the Duron.
Bah! Oh, well. I'll probably still buy it anyway because of the low cost, and besides, if I want a quiet rig, upping the vcore isn't going to be very helpful......
Quick question though, am I right in thinking that upping the FSB, but keeping the vcore at default won't increase temps?
Athlon XP 3200+, TT Silent Boost (its rubbish as well as loud) Gigabyte nForce2 mobo (stable but lacks tweaking options), GF4 Ti4200 128mb, Lian-Li V2000
My memory of it is that FSB increases will increase temps a bit too due to higher thru-put, but not near V jumps. Experimentation the key.
If you want Quiet, cool, cheap, high performing chip (vs your Duron), the 1600+ still best bet while you wait for the hot ones to drop in price. 1600+ will run circles around your Duron even at default. This morning mine is at default (owing to a problem w/new CDRW), 1.54v according to my monitor, quiet 1500 RPM fan (Enermax adjustable) and temps in 30s. You can still overclock to 1900+ - 2000+ without unlocking, depending on your gear. Sorry to belabor, but love this chip's versatility.
EDIT: Just put mine back to 1900+, 1.63v, 38C CPU, 1500RPMs. I could up the RPMs and go back to 2000+, but like the Quiet. I could also hold Quiet, cool higher operation with the AX7 or similar sink. Expect that will be in order next summer.
Good luck with whatever you choose!
Last edited by xroyal; December 6th, 2002 at 11:38 AM.
with the cooling you describe you can pretty much forget overclocking. Actually I'd be quite impressed if a fanless Zalman in a case with negligable airflow managed to keep an XP2K+ stable at stock TBH.
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Well, JollyRoger - we'll see! Actually, I think you're right - its going to be pretty borderline in terms of temps. I'm running a Duron at 1.85v with a noisy 60mm 4800rpm fan and getting temps of 45/50 (idle/load). Hopefully, with a XP2000+ at 1.65v (which is going to make a big difference to temps) and a Zalman, I still think it would be possible to same similar temps or even lower.
Thanks to everyone that's contributed to this thread!
Athlon XP 3200+, TT Silent Boost (its rubbish as well as loud) Gigabyte nForce2 mobo (stable but lacks tweaking options), GF4 Ti4200 128mb, Lian-Li V2000
Again, they've got Th-B listed at speeds below 2000+ but I'm inclined to agree with you guys that its wishful thinking that you can find a 1800+ ThB in retail.
It's kind of annoying because alot of retailers don't list the manufacturer codes. Of the UK ones that I've seen, you're right - all 2000+ are palis.
Having said that, NewEgg are selling a ThoroughBred A 1700+
I guess they do occasioanlly turn up "in the wild" but are as rare as chicken teeth!
Last edited by davidstone28; December 10th, 2002 at 08:19 AM.
Athlon XP 3200+, TT Silent Boost (its rubbish as well as loud) Gigabyte nForce2 mobo (stable but lacks tweaking options), GF4 Ti4200 128mb, Lian-Li V2000
Well I'll get off the 1600+ horse (tho a winner), and say I'm waiting for the results on the Tbred 1700 and 1800 "B" chip which may hit the shelves by Jan or so, allegedly in production this month. Hoping my patience pays dividends such as better overclocking at cooler temps, not to mention at killer prices.
OR, you can really mess your mind up, and wait for the now discussed "C" chip! Let's see, do I get A, B, C or wait for "F"?
Last edited by xroyal; December 10th, 2002 at 12:01 PM.
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Bah! Oh, well. I'll probably still buy it anyway because of the low cost, and besides, if I want a quiet rig, upping the vcore isn't going to be very helpful......
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