BTW, according to the article, the one on the left is the Sledgehammer and is still on ceramic. The one on the right is the Clawhammer, and is on organic. (SOI?)
I know you guys probably already saw them. My question is:
1. Wonder whats under those heatspreaders?
2. Are retail versions going to have them, or is this just for secrecy?
3. If they are on the retail models, are we going to have to take them off to unlock the multipliers?
4. Will these new CPUs have bridges like the Tbirds.... That is will we be able to unlock them?
I understand that none of you have them, and can therefore not answer these questions accurately. But, at this moment I am looking for speculation, educated guesses, or information you may have seem in print somewhere.....
Mostly food for thought.
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2. I'm guessing yes, just because it would be a good idea for them to put them on there b/c quite a few people manage to chip and chop cores. Obviously some would take them off...but the mass market wouldn't.
3. Probably...that is if they are even unlockable...we may be joining the pentium peeps w/ fsb adjustments
4. I'm thinking no...but this is just from what I've heard.
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The core is about the same size as the AthlonXP at .18 micron (very small). The heatspreader is likely a plated copper as Anand got to heft one and said it was the heaviest CPU he has ever seen.
There is now room on the bottom for the little resistors and such you see on most CPUs so they will all be moved to the top. They might have the bridges still too, but that is not really that important. Overclocking is seeing less and less benifits. If you can say overclock and Hammer 2Ghz to 3Ghz then you will bary your graphics card and other periferalls. Bus overclcoking might not yeild as high of a result, but it will help speed up everything in the system. As of yet, this form of overclocking has not truely been detures (eccept the original Athlon boards that could not get past 105-110Mhz for about 95% of the boards).
We are just pushing the performances of too many componants and nothing really has a hugh performance headroom. Things like ATA hard drives, AGP 8x (533Mhz high speed link according to the AMD 8000 chipset), and DDR-II might help a little bit.
These are likely going to be on the retail ones. The only thing that might change on the set-up that Anand (and other saw) is the heatsink clip retension. They look to be moving to a differant heatsink like the P4 did, but the one they showed only had one clip down the middle, not the two clips like the P4. The board also have the same extra power connector as the P4, so likely they will addopt the same heatsinks as the P4. This makes it much easier to ush it to market.
Anybodies guesses as to the speed? They only said it was clocked as fast or faster that currant 64bit CPUs. This means it was clocked at a minimum of about 1Ghz. Anand said It could have been at the 1.4Ghz of the Power4 from IBM. Since it was running .13micron SOI, it might have been doing 1.5Ghz on A0 silicon, but not likely.
Aslo did you notice the pin count? 940 for the Sledge Hammer. That beast has a 128bit memory path and support for DDR2. Think of a 133Mhz bus running dual channel DDR2. That is like your DDR at 1066Mhz. that is 8.4GB/s. Hopefully the Hammer will move to a higher bus speed to make use of this memory, like the quad pumped bus of the P4. That would make for a very impressive system.
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Originally posted by Cleveland: Gee TODD, It looks as though you are predicting that OCing will be a thing of the past. That would be a shame, I really enjoy it as a hobby.....
Back to the age of the K6-2! DOWN WITH HAMMER! UP WITH K6-2!!!
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OMG! I CAN'T BELIEVE I JUST SAID THAT! hehe...well other options include the era of the 386 where you actually had to solder crystal oscillators to overclock from 25mhz to 28mhz, lol!
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Nah... the K6-2 "era" ruled. A fruitless endeavour to overclock, spurred on by the satisfaction of such petty wonders as directly lapping the core, disabling L2 cache to gain another 50MHz and being able to remove the cap by slowly squeezing it in a vice until it snapped off the core with a spine-tingling "CRRRRRACK!!!".
Maybe AMD has something up their sleves. Maybe it will be unlocked? Or unlockable. I'm sure the .13 cores will scale well. Hopefully the next chip I'll upgrade to will be around 3ghz. I've made the decision that I'm going to upgrade when the fastest chip is around double my 1.4ghz chip. It will be nice because with the new ddr memory I should see a huge jump.
Originally posted by Justintime: Theres always FSB *sigh*
Not necessarily....these chips have the memory hub and most of the northbridge on the chip. That means they could as well easily lock the FSB in place too. Each chip could have its own FSB internally. As stated previously, FSB clocking may throw other stuff out of spec just enough to throw all of this high speed stuff off. Only time will tell...
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was thinking about the onboard controller as well, i wonder geez.. goodbye overclocking! Unles we overclockers reverse engineer chips and start selling 'micro hacked' chips, how much does a fab plant go for these days?
I like overclcokcing too, but the results just aren't as impressive any more. My Duron 600@900Mhz (or more if I wanted to keep it there) was a great overclcok and boosted the performance very nicely, but my AthlonXP 1600+ (1.4Ghz) at 1.53Ghz showed absolutly no increase in 3DMark2001 or Quake3. It showed higher memory scores in Sandra, but that is about it. Admitadly this was only a 10% overclock and not the 505 my duron did.
Now I'm guessing this Hammer will be hard to overclock if at all possible, but the performance should be astonomical and you will have trouble finding a graphics card to match it up with to make use of all that horse power.
Lets just see if AMD can pull it off and lets see how many seconds it takes for a website like Anands to rip the heatspreader off and try to overclock it.
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hehe...well other options include the era of the 386 where you actually had to solder crystal oscillators to overclock from 25mhz to 28mhz, lol!
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