Install Vista Ultimate on a SATA drive ( Raptor).
Can I use 3 drives for the Array with 1 dirve (Connected) as a hot spare?
The GIGABYTE GA-P35-DQ6 supports SATA RAID 0/1/0+1/5 Matrix RAID.
North Bridge Intel P35
South Bridge Intel ICH9R
My plan is to Install the OS and then install the 4 drives. Would the Onboard Controller setup the Raid or would this be implimented in Windows? Either way, could I run the OS on one drive and the Raid5 Array on the 4 drives (same controller)?
September 12th, 2007, 08:03 PM
If you have RAID-5 with 3 drives and 1 drive as "a hot spare", then you've effectively given yourself the same usable drive space as RAID-1. The advantage of RAID-5 is that you get more usuable space, so put all 4 drives into a RAID-5 array (1.5TB usable space) or put 4 drives into 2x RAID-1 arrays (1TB usable space).
You would setup the RAID arrays in the RAID controllers configuration screen (usually prompted to press a certain combination of keys on boot to get into it). This is the better way to do it, but you may need to have a driver disk for the RAID controller standing by for the initial parts of Windows setup (the bit where you press F6).
As long as there's enough ports on your RAID controller, there's no problems with running everything off the one controller, OS, RAID-5, etc.
September 12th, 2007, 09:40 PM
I have more space than I will use. It looks like 6 SATA ports on one controller and 2 on the second controller. I would be able to use a SATA DVD drive, an OS drive and 4 drives in Raid5.
I will use the second SATA controller for the eSATA backup drive.
I do not have a floppy planned for this system. Might the Raid drivers be accessed via USB during the OS install? If not, I will dangle a drive till I get the OS installed.
September 12th, 2007, 09:47 PM
I've only ever provided the drivers in two ways.
Via floppy disk.
Integrating the drivers into the Windows installation CD using nLite.
I'm not sure if USB is an option or not. Someone else might be able to give you a definite answer.
September 12th, 2007, 09:57 PM
You could use a usb floppy drive, but not all models work.
Look here to see which models do not work.
Usually laptops come with an external floppy drive.
Someone might have one u can borrow.
Windows Vista (and Windows Server 2008) will allow you to install storage drivers from a USB flash drive during setup, so you should be okay. For anything earlier, you need a genuine A: floppy drive.
September 13th, 2007, 12:06 PM
Again, thanks for the input. I will try the USB drive first. Still, I am not sure of which controller drivers to use for the safest Raid5 array.
AHCI would enable NCQ and other hard drive features but WrathChild states that the monitoring is self service.
SATA RAID seems simple enough to set up (Ctrl +I during boot), F6 during OS install. Yet I am unaware of how this method monitors itself. The manual screen shots indicate this is still Intel AHCI Controller. Curious about whether the NCQ would work in SATA RAID.
Right now the plan is to set the Bios up for SATA RAID vs AHCI.
Another interesting feature is the Xpress Recovery2 function. Basicly it is used to clone the OS partition to another partition for recovery problems. If I use this, I need to remember to create a partition large enough to handle the OS and software.
September 13th, 2007, 05:30 PM
I have the Gigabyte too and yes that option caught my eye too. Unfortunately I have not even tried it yet. But just off the top of head I
thought it had to be a 2nd physical drive for the backup. Which would make more sense anyway.
September 14th, 2007, 11:54 AM
If you do it with the SATA controller's RAID functionality, make sure you install the full software package once Windows is on. The USB key during setup will give you drivers so Windows doesn't bluescreen on boot, but that full package will also give you a tool that lets you manage the array online and alerts you if a drive fails.
September 14th, 2007, 01:51 PM
Thanks, I now have the latest file. Managing the Array is why I would use the SATA controller vs the AHCI (software?) raid array.
September 15th, 2007, 01:58 PM
Vista installed the SATA Controller drivers from the USB drive. Everything went well until I installed and tried using the Matrix Storage Console. Looking like it would take all day to Initialize the Array, I decided to install the rest of the drivers....... Display drivers installed, Mobo drivers installed and rebooted without permission. I do not know if anything is hosed or not. Vista will only boot into Safe Mode yet the Array Initialization is going on in the background.
The DVD on the SATA controller doesnt work now.
The Drive on Port 5 was added as a spare to the Data Volume prior to the machine rebooting. It shows up as a spare in the SATA RAID bios.
I intend to let the Array finish Initializing and see if it works. If not, I will delete the Raid Array in the SATA Bios and just use the Intel Matrix Console to create the array.
September 15th, 2007, 03:44 PM
If you build the array from the BIOS option ROM instead of from the Windows GUI program, I believe you can skip initialization of the array or at least do a quick initialize which is much faster- on the order of seconds instead of hours.
September 15th, 2007, 04:25 PM
One issue may involve the way I set the drives up.
Port 0 is the OS drive. It is not part of the Array.
Port 1 is the SATA DVD drive
Ports 2 through 5 are used for the Array with 2,3 and 4 as the Raid 5 array and Port 5 as a spare.
If it was as simple as you make it sound, I would be installing software and games now.
I did setup the array from the Bios Rom but after installing Vista, they were still not accessable from windows or the Matrix Software. I formated the drives but may not have initialized them? Hopefully I am learning...
Thanks for pointing me at the Q6600.
September 15th, 2007, 10:35 PM
If you could get at the individual drives to format them, it wasn't treating them as an array yet.
In any case, that initialisation is the process it goes through when you're creating an array without destroying the data on all the drives. Just let it run (you can reboot or turn off; it'll recover) and once it's done you should be able to partition and format the array as a whole through Disk Management.
September 16th, 2007, 12:05 AM
One nice big drive. Now for the prospect of getting my business software installed. You know, it was just about as simple as you are saying. Cheers!